{"id":63,"date":"2023-08-25T17:10:17","date_gmt":"2023-08-25T17:10:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/?p=63"},"modified":"2023-08-25T17:12:18","modified_gmt":"2023-08-25T17:12:18","slug":"thistle-vase-or-violet-vase","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/index.php\/2023\/08\/25\/thistle-vase-or-violet-vase\/","title":{"rendered":"Thistle vase or Violet vase?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"498\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-1024x498.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-64\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-1024x498.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-300x146.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-768x374.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-1536x747.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-2048x996.jpeg 2048w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-1200x584.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/508CF2FE-A937-4BEC-B7C9-1035295C5DF6_1_201_a-1980x963.jpeg 1980w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">A garniture of Australian glass violet vases<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Generally called thistle vases due to the common shape resembling a thistle, these small glass vases were called in period advertisements violet vases due to their small size being used to hold the small flowers. Commonly bought in pairs for the dressing table, singly for the desk at work or for brightening up the breakfast or afternoon tea tray.<br>Both of the matching pairs above I found that way, I have a handful of single clear thistle shaped vases.<br>But not all violet vases were thistle shaped, here are two examples from my modest collection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Pineapple shape<\/h2>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-768x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-75\" style=\"width:258px;height:344px\" width=\"258\" height=\"344\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-768x1024.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-225x300.jpeg 225w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-1200x1600.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/CBB0419C-1AB4-4385-B72D-DF5508ED3876_1_201_a-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 258px) 100vw, 258px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/E6672991-6313-4089-80A7-F428BB886751_4_5005_c.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-65\" style=\"width:260px;height:361px\" width=\"260\" height=\"361\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/Crown10946\/page\/n88\/mode\/1up\">From the Crown Crystal glass co. catalogue 1934<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If the more common style is a thistle, this would be a pineapple.<br>more commonly found in the medium size.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-67\" style=\"width:378px;height:284px\" width=\"378\" height=\"284\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-scaled.jpeg 2560w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-300x225.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-1024x768.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-768x576.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-1536x1152.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-2048x1536.jpeg 2048w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-1200x900.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/81C2A903-5372-42CC-A74E-E9FED3EAA48F_1_201_a-edited-1980x1485.jpeg 1980w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 378px) 100vw, 378px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">The 2 1\/2in. pineapple vase next to the 4 1\/2in.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The 1934 Crown Crystal catalogue refers to doesn&#8217;t call the 2 1\/2in. model a violet vase, but a contemporary ad does.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/064F0A9C-D1C8-4D20-8BC5-E994364FA672_4_5005_c.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-68\" style=\"width:356px;height:289px\" width=\"356\" height=\"289\"\/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trove.nla.gov.au\/newspaper\/article\/229213183#\">The Sun (Sydney), Thursday 14 June 1934, page 34<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\">Art Deco<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"768\" height=\"1024\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-768x1024.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-69\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-768x1024.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-225x300.jpeg 225w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-1152x1536.jpeg 1152w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-1536x2048.jpeg 1536w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-1200x1600.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-1980x2640.jpeg 1980w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/C3C6BC3B-854D-448A-AE29-0B592364EE73-scaled.jpeg 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 768px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The more abstract and art deco pair date to a little later, I have found it illustrated in an ad from 1942. I don&#8217;t have a Crown Crystal catalogue from that date to refer to, but imports of glassware were non-existent during the war, so it would have to have been made domestically.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"656\" height=\"208\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/E8748977-6EEC-465F-8C86-CDD7531BAF98_4_5005_c.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-70\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/E8748977-6EEC-465F-8C86-CDD7531BAF98_4_5005_c.jpeg 656w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/E8748977-6EEC-465F-8C86-CDD7531BAF98_4_5005_c-300x95.jpeg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 656px) 100vw, 656px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/trove.nla.gov.au\/newspaper\/article\/47333907#\">West Australian (Perth), Wednesday 27 May 1942, page 5<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The thorn in the thistle<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Despite, or perhaps due to, the ubiquity of the thistle shaped violet vase, dating and identifying their manufacture is difficult.<br>I have yet to find a newspaper illustration of the thistle style shown at the top of the page.<br>Crown Crystal glass did make a thistle shaped vase, but when they started making them I do not know. A 1970 catalogue shows them being made up until at least then.<br>The coloured ones that are so popular with collectors are slightly shorter with a squatter base and much rougher surface finish and seams. These are probably earlier than the more well finished clear ones, but are most likely Crown Crystal as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Their small, trinkety, commonplace nature has meant that during the time they were made they were probably not valuable or notable enough to warrant an illustration in a newspaper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"375\" src=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/3E7D74DC-E9E1-4A87-9486-D88E3B6AC4E2_1_201_a-1024x375.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-71\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/3E7D74DC-E9E1-4A87-9486-D88E3B6AC4E2_1_201_a-1024x375.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/3E7D74DC-E9E1-4A87-9486-D88E3B6AC4E2_1_201_a-300x110.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/3E7D74DC-E9E1-4A87-9486-D88E3B6AC4E2_1_201_a-768x281.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/3E7D74DC-E9E1-4A87-9486-D88E3B6AC4E2_1_201_a-1200x440.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/vc.id.au\/trig\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/3E7D74DC-E9E1-4A87-9486-D88E3B6AC4E2_1_201_a.jpeg 1236w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/collection.maas.museum\/object\/621920\">Crown crystal glass catalogue 1970, from the Powerhouse collection<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I believe that the pair of thistle vases at the top of the page are made by Crown Crystal, but I have other clear thistle vases that have subtly different details which I believe are made by other manufacturers.<br>This post mostly deals with violet vases made domestically, as there were also thistle vases of Czech pressed glass, German lead crystal, English cut glass and so on that may get their own post later.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Generally called thistle vases due to the common shape resembling a thistle, these small glass vases were called in period advertisements violet vases due to their small size being used to hold the small flowers. 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